hotkey on any language

[x905]

is it possible what hotkeys works on any language ?
for example i want search file dialog on "M-?" and on "M-," (on russian)
hotkeys must be "keys of keyboard" combination, not of chars

[andrew_b]

mc doesn't know about "keys of keyboard". mc uses sequences (escape or not) sent by terminal emulator or console. mc works with keyboard indirectly via screen library (s-lang or ncurses) layer.

[x905]

its very sad for me (i think it wrong by design)
ok, can i add another (alternative) key sequences to standard "hotkeys" ?

[zaytsev]

It is not wrong by design, it's just that mc works at a higher level and doesn't know anything about keyboard. This is a sad fact of life. If you have better ideas go ahead and implement them.

I am also interested in this feature, but I don't know how to implement this in any other way then creating a huge list of layouts. Maybe querying X is an option?

Yes, you can add alternatives for select key bindings. Have a look at keymap files and read the man page.

[x905]

understood
will use alternatives

[x905]

hmm, howto add alternative to history in command lines ?
CmdHistory? = alt-h; alt-р(russian letter рэ) - not work

[andrew_b]

Unforunately, it doesn't work in non-ascii locales (see #1634).

[x905]

can it be fixed ?

[zaytsev]

Everything can be fixed. The question is: when?

[wayfarer]

I'd agree with reporter that it's wrong by design, if not in mc then in underlying libraries. After all, who in the world needs layout-specific chars with modifiers like Ctrl and Alt, whereas such combinations are commonly used as shortcuts?

Unfortunately, this problem is not specific to mc, it appears also in some other progs under Linux. But in other ones (eg Firefox) shortcuts work as desired (ie layout-independent), which should mean, that solution or at least workaround exists.

IMO the right way to go from the library side would be to give an application a possibility to choose, whether it wants to receive localized chars or not (via separate function, parameter etc). I'll try to investigate this problem further, cause it's one of really annoying bugs, which make a life more painful just for nothing.

[angel_il]

Replying to x905:

can it be fixed ?

in progress...

[zaytsev]

Did you notice that Firefox is not an application which runs from inside a terminal emulator by the way? That's why I mentioned, that maybe grabbing from X might be an option, especially because I am not really aware of anyone using national alphabets for input in physical console anymore.

[wayfarer]

Replying to zaytsev:

Did you notice that Firefox is not an application which runs from inside a terminal emulator by the way?

Sure I did :)
But since the same issue appears in X programs as well (eg Eclipse), I just thought, that problem and solution could be also the same.

[zaytsev]

The problem is that the solution that they use might be hardy applicable to mc. This is what I intended to express.

[tezir]

Hotkeys of ncurses-based program newsbeuter works with non-ascii locales (if add hotkeys to config as alternative).
Need to implement similar for mc.keymap config.

[seyko2]

Hotkeys of ncurses-based program newsbeuter works with non-ascii locales

How this is done? As I understand, we need to map any non ASCII char to ASCII one using a keyboard mapping (US, German, Russian, etc).